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CBLISHCD tJNliER THE DIItfSCT.ON OP THE*REFORME D METHODIST CO.VXECTM.N* 5 J. BAILEY, L. O. CLARK, J. BURXIIAM, D. NORTHRLP, AND C. CLARK, PUBLISHING COMMIUTEE. WBSLEYBAILBY, EDITBII. TOL. 5 PAYETTE V ILL E. ONONDAGA CO., N E W - Y 0 R K, THURSDAY, SEPT.J6. 1S11 NO 7- THE LUMINARY IS PUBLISHED EVERY TnOBSDAY\ A T PATKTTEVlbLE' O^NONDAOA CO., S. Y . j to bo adopted, which may prove a damper, or j stnlfo a death blow to tho infar.t cause wo aro I striving to sustain. TEBM9.-TJ.is paper will be afforded a. the •. ^' e f hoM be consistent in our acts.lcs : ive Juctd price or S1.50. ir paid in advance ; if be J usl 'y accused of onfoic.ng tho \Gag Law\ av-ti'-nt U made OSE MOSTU from the lime so ,nucH complained of in the Church from f'r»cpiviogthe first number, it will he consid-, \bich some of us liavo seceded JJut I have ,t m advance; if not paid wiihin Six | too much confidence in tho wisdom of the IONTHS after receiving the first uumber, 2,00 Contention to suspect that even in the Ireat o( ,11 be charged. _ fhe present escitemcnt.they will inconsiderate- , All commutations should be addressed^.* 1 ly adopt measures calculated to p.oduco the he eduor, post paid, unless containing «Ve results which somo anticipate. : of discontinuance k *.n ,, _ „„ , . ' ,d ,;iars or over. In any case rearages must be paid up, unless at the option f ilie ediior. \ I FrlcntUhlp. How hard it is to find a friend, (t i whom we always may depend ; >> metimes wo think this treasure got, TiK trial proves we have it not. Many to serve their selfish ends, W'unnly declare they are nur friends, li 11 siwin I heir serving si' If is o'er, iiehulit they are our friends no more. 0 licrs will act a part more base : \!waysbo friendly to your face— We turn our hack, then they our name L*pose to obloquy and shame. Apparent friendship others show . Tuoi we may confidence bestmv ; OJ ' secrets thus lliey oft uluain, \ i j J use to injure out good name. Those who of others ictl us much, \My counsel is—beworeof such ; T'iry bring our neighbors' faults to view. And absent speak tho same of you. A fidlhful fflfcn'd W6 liij»My\ prise, ]toi mere pretence we do clcspisa. W iieu'er dispojo'd a friend lo trust, lie always sure you prove him first. The Memory of Joy* rliat aro r.igt. There is a tenrofsweci r -dief— A car of rapture and of grief, 'J'lie feeling heart olotiecan know What soft cinoiinns bid it flow, li is when Memory chorrns • tic mind. With lender images refined; 'Tis when her magi c spells rcs'nro D parted friends an d j >ys no more. There is an hour— a pensive hour, And oh ' how dear its tombing power ; li is whon twilight spreads her veil, \nd steals ulongihe silent dale ; 'lis when lire fudiug blossoms close, W hen ull M bilence and rrpoic ; The n Memory v\ anus ami loves to mourn '1 iic days that never can return Torre is a s'rain— a pl/nnnve sirnin, 'I ho sourco of j >y nnd \ t l oj pain ; li is the song w I. use d\ing rii'usurn [urc v me friend bcl ivcd lias heard Willi pie.is rne fncnd who ne'er ngnri tuny hear The nit 1 11 lay to Memory cl< jr Mi' then by magi c (\nclls rcMnrt Vi>ions of iiliss'ul dn\s no rn< r-. I th e secon d place, I woul simply sugges t \'for your con3ideralion ,thepropriely of acknowl edging mora than (.no order of Ministcis ; to wit, Eldeis or PiesUyters, and that the ! Church, or the body to who m this power may I be delegated, be authorized to invest with this j offco any liccncialo by them considoied duly I qualified, without regaid to a specified term of ' probation, atid thereby giving offence to the | licentiate, who accoiding to former usages, expects lo bo ordained when his probation shall bo ended. Bjt perhaps I Invo said enough , and in , what I have snid,I do mil wish lo lie considered , as dictating, but my remarks luvo been offeicd in tho fear o( God. for which t must accoun t i boloro him, and I mist fervently and devoutly I -pray that He may impart to you tho blessed | influences of his Ho'y Spirit to.nssist and direct j you in your deliberations ind decisions, ond I tmy ihe labors of iho Convention happily to suit in l!<.' glory of God an d in establishing 1 permanently a puio and peaceful Church un | un si limed wnh tho bloud 1 1 E,I uls. and w hence ( shall ascend the high praises of tho Uedceiticr unmwgW with tho bntcr waihng s of the oppressed, and to God bo .all tho gloty Your btoiher'in tho bonds of a holy and benevolent Gosj el. till his death ; bin he did not io all things cm brace her principles or practice her usages lie did not o< Knowledge the eselusivo right of i,the I Bishops to ordain, but considered that Bishops ) and presbyters were of the same order* Tin? ' opinion, ii appears , was cnlenuined the last 4o j j cars of Ins life. Lord King w os • lie luslrumeni by \\ bom he become convinced of ihis. os w ill | be seen from the following extract from Insjour- . nnl, wiiiien in the early part of 1716. \I set I oni for Bristol. O n the road I read over Lord , King's account of the primitive Church. In I spile of ihe vehement prejudice of my cduca | tion, I was ready to bchevo that this was a fair I and impartial draught. \ Bui if so it would fol- ' low, that Bishops and presbyiers arc fesserlinU i ly) of one order, and that onginally every 'Christian C'ongregration was a church iude | pcndcnl of nil others. ! Lest any should ihinl; that he did not entertain ilns Mew of the sulj .'Lt ever of or, wo give the I following extract from a letter addressscd in Dr, j Coke. Mr AMni'y. and their brethren ir. North | Americo , in the year 1781 . Afiur speakim; o f | Iheu independence, both 10 a civil and on cc cle I siosiical point of view, and of (heir drsiro for his odvic2 on the suhj-ct, he says '—\Lird King s uccouut of ihe primiiive Clioreh co :i \in» j (.ed m o many years ag o that Bishops and Presbyiers are l he some order, aud cooseipiKUi ly hove ihe same right to ordai 'i I And in reference lo Congregationalism, and , I the propriety of change* according lo firruin i I Biences, we find uoih favored in iho following ' j qneSnons and answers in tho minutes of tho | Conferences held in tho years 1744 -5 -6 and 7 I ••Q. Is inulual consent absolutely necessary I ' A AV. Cl'UTlss Sanduily, Ohio, .Jug 2(5, 1HSI. ' and his flock ? der the most sen JUS and s ilemn impressions, aiiJ so powerful was the weight of her guilt that the day following she was carried homo to her mother, nppireml y much indispised.— Within a few days I was informed of her situa tion, and requested to visit l.er. I found her confined to her bed.beset wnh the most power- ful temptations imaginable. I convc'isod with hot fot a while,.villi but very iutle satisfaction , I then commendod her to God in prayer, and took my leave, hoping that my next visit would find hor better Uul m I 'm 1 was dis.ippjinled. Within a fow days, I called ogam, but was met at the door by her rnnlher, who had been instructed by her to inform me thai she did not want to seo mo. Howover. her mother was anxious that I should see her, and I walked m. But, O God ' saf-e mo from ever witnessing nnothe- such a scene ' Whilo bringing it to mind, my heart, my hand trombles ' IWotp mo I beheld an object, pale and haggard, and wjihall wild and tranuc. For a moment sho looked mo full in tho face, and then wiih expressions that would seem lo pierco ilio hardest heart, sho began —\O Elder , 1 linmv you are a good nnn—why do you como here ? — )<iur presence only serves to augment my misery ' O, how havo I murdeied my Savior ' O, how cruel was I lo treat that once loving friend with such neglect ' How- id en have I grieved the tender spun' O,\ said she,\I see that shghicd Sau'or, who onco bid mo we'eomc to tho gospol feast. He now spurns ran See him fiown 1 O rocks and inouniiu >• fall on mo 1 No , rocks and momu tains fl'-c --I see by him I am now nrljuoged in Hell to burn ' • Then.as il to hide.covcring I cr fare, with a doleful screoch, her whole ( system would seem for a moment to undorgo ( tho most dreadful convulsons. Then ngun turning her eyes upwarJ s sho would osclaim, Bui agjin I looked. The night of adversity had como upon hun ; lor the beloved of bis heart,\ the desuo o( his oyos,\ had been taken from hini •' at a stroke.'' tie lay in tho dust, and in« altar flro wjd disiegarded. She who would Invo assisted him to watch and cherish it, had gono lo tho (load , what Inducement had ho now in Ins loneliness and brokenness o( spirit to ariso and watch ? Thus he mourn* od and almost inarmuied, till tho Compassion- ntc One passed that way and lookcd^pnnhim. \\ ilh words of gentleness, ho spoko of'tha bittor chastisement, and of the stein necessity in a woildly an i idolatrous spun, which had t called for it from a loving Fjlhor's hand. Then in accents of encouragement ho added, \ He doth not pfflict willingly, nor grieve iho children of men.\ '• No chasloni ng for ihe present scemclh lo be joyaus but grievous : ncvortheloss, afterwaids it yioldeththo pelce- able fi u:l of righteousness.\ Tho hsart of the mourner was touched nnd broken—but Willi oriollieMlun oarllily sorrow, and ho arose from 1 the earth in a stiongth not his own, rosolved still to watch and labor, though bereft of his dearest earthly j >y. Hu did more, for he of fered upon that altar the incense oflus bruised and ciushed afftictiuus, and from tt a sweet fragrance, \ woll ploastng onto God,\ ascend ed touaids hcavon Ciinstiun, how bomb tho firo upon thy fjnitij, t altjr ) Are thine own ofteiings, and- those uf all thy household daily laid there, at the tune of the morning »nd the evening sacri- fi o ? Are they all \ pure ami holy,\ as the ancient incense was required to be ! Dooi iho firo over burn clsar, so tint an holy one liko Manoah's angel, might in that flame de scend fioin heavun lo blois thoso who are' knrtohng ihero / How burns thy clout fire 1 No eyo marks' postor A N'oqiicsuon. 1 cannot guide any soul u i- 1 Lsa ho consent io bo guided by me; nenher can uny soul force mo to guido him,if I consent not Q. Does iho ceasing of this consent on eiihcr side dissolve 1 1) is relation? I A It most in the very nature of ilungs—I If a man no longer consent lo be guided b\ me 1 lam no longer his guide ; I am free. Hone will not goide mo any longer, I a m free to 6cd> ' one who will. Q Must there not be numberless accidental, variations m the government of various church j cs ? I A There must, in the nature of things. A 9 I Go 1 variously dispenses his gilis of nature, I pro\idence, and £rncc, both tho offices ihcin | si hes, and the officers in each, ought to bo va* ricd fmin nine to lime \ As we have 6ccn then what Methodist Epis copacy has done, nnd w hat she is Itluly to do , ' and whoi disuuhr. dissatisfaction, and coufo- j sum onacs from the power being vested io on Annual oi General Conference, < n her ofmin- isicrs alone, or ministers and lay men jointly ; u docs appoar to us mat ihe nine lias come for nu mber, or more general variation in the covr .nN IJIKM - OF MFTIIODIHT Ciiuncite s ; agreeable io the views of Mr Wesley as expressed in the foregoing; and thai if wo would do ihe will of God. we should return In the usagesof tho PIU.MITIVE CIIUIICIIES. A WESLEVAN. yew Yuil; Sept . IS 11 See! see those evil spniis ! The y rmiiB 1 ' it but flis \ whu tenth In ueercl;\ to him let A LETTER i\ • ihe President and incmurrs of ihe Conven ' >:i lo assemble at High Brilg\ Onondaga ' . N. Y. on the 31th lost , Urcenng Hf AP . BaETtmEN :— Having been appointed by the Yeaily Cun For iho I'livcttcville Liiniiuar y j Cliarch tfsdvcriaiDscwt. | DtAn BitoTiiKii BAIL).r I Ifyou deem the following tlmrghis on i Church government worthy of publicanoii .ibey arc at your disposal. i Our object in thus presenting ihom, is to show • those that havobcen accustomed to look at things 1 J^ns lliey extst^BinOng themselves as ihe best j ^ means of spreading Christianity in tho world,' j that ibeie aro r-.'her inrons iha' have teen, otid still inny be rq ial'y efTec ^a!, if uoi far more so 1 And as i tt our design to labor more partieu- ' Irirly for ihi lin .i fit of Mt >ihndi-,is, we shal 1 first i ^ I speak of Methodism as cstab'iahcd by J and C Wesley, as (Ins seems lo be one of liio greaiesi harriers wnil many against the eslab* | lis'imeni rif a < hureh or churches, on what wc. call PniMilivi: PRINCIPLES, We eonrede, then, lhat Mnli idism, ns cs'oh hsbed by these di\inrs , was not cnngre^oi noal in ns governmen t, but like a mighty engine, rnnioining a Ihou'and different parts, all umled fir ihe accomplishment of one great end.— ' Doubilcss this was very teccssnry in iho cir cumslanccs under w Inch lliey labored Bu t ihis is no argument w by the same engine should be kepi io operation to the end of time. Nay. [ By its long use, (and peihnps sometimes niten- ' , Hed lo by improper hands.) it may frequently' g<»( very much out of order, and thaugh it may i be repaired repeatedly, it may in the end be • f-rroce of the Methodist Society, of which past reparation ; and as each part is so depend | Jam a member, a delegate to [your Coo- ant on the others, tho whole would bo involved] •>-niion. and being unablo to aitend in person. I m confusion ond ruin. | !'tl disposed bucfly to express my feelings in. It may not be out of place here to glanco | a ation lo tho subject whichcalls you together at Mr. Wesley's viewsj in reference to la the first place 1 would say cheerfully and t | ie establishment of Methodism, as they may | <uyhatically that I fully coincide with ll.o | 10ve considerable infiuence on tho minds of V'.nciples embodied in yout \Call il I rightly ,hose thai arc so much prejudiced in favor of i *-aderstar.d them. The Church Polity proposed • , ho g|n|e of ,,,, , I]al nQW exU , s> An(] ( . f Ms > M «SU \? Q Y ACC ° RDA \ CE WITH LHA , T f lh ° ' biographers are correct) he looked upon himself •Methodist Society—iho Temperance pledge is, f 1 . . Copied , n some of the soc.eiies very fully, and ond 0D ,bo3e lhat labored , uodcr '» m as exlraoT ' •mho Society of which I a m tho Pastor , as an , dinary messengers raised up by GOD to revive article of faith ; and as it respects Slavery,I pure religiou in the world ; ond thereby reform ibink tha.t -a^argo majority of the churches ! the church of which he was a member ; viz. tho composing the Erto Yearly Conference are \ Cburcb of England. decidedly .against it. However, I would not be understood lo say tha t ibey are all, or nearly It was not his design to raise op a Church in dependent of the Establishment; but to raise all Abolitionists in the fullest sense of the word, societies that should ultimately come under the yet 1 d o pot know of one Among us who i s an j p 0Storn i ca ro of iho Church of Eoglnnd clergy, advocate for Slavery. Thoro may be somo ^ , al wuo80 uon ds they even then received ihe who thinh, and who perhaps might express a , emWem9 0 r, aC body ond blood of iho Lord Jo- belief thai there aro some slaves » bolter off in, uj) . d wbeQ , hl8 became improbable, he Slavery than they would be in Freedom, and ' on thm hU d , wa9 *uch doubtless may be found in every evangel muu ° l 1 ,n Him n»u» -oal Chprch.notexcepiingCeyen ihe \Wesleyan capable of; committing all to Him \whose Methodists,\ and if this can be called ^Z^.- 1 judgments are unsearchable and whose ways nro past finding out.\ It is evident, tbeo. that that itinerant minis try which he was the instrument of establish^ ing, was not established from choice, or in an y - . - — - ,t i sense agreeable to his views of tho regular or- Iheieproachof being called an ultra one. 11 * hut 0 [ extreme necessity, in the i teola ne.nn.ond lluolv inierr>st in the.Church UCI ' fa 1 ting for Slavery, I cannot unchristiamze an in dividual for such an expression, nor dobar him from.Uteaabla nf^the.Lotd,'. if he otherwise evince a consistent christian charactor.although I profess, to he- a n Abolitionist , nnd fear no feels^ deop,an d Hveby interest, i n the Churc h about br^ng, q/ganjzed, and therefore feel con- &tiiane4,li>8ayjthat.great precaution is noces- laty , lest.thf.QUgh too great inflexibility, some Mpression be embodied in Ihe Discipline about circumstances under which he then labored But it may be asked, was he not a n Episco palian in principle 7 We answor, no. It is true he was a member of the Englis h Church For the F*ayciic\i!lo Luminary. The ESacIislider. A s oft as I call to mind the dreadful and fearful saying of God that no man having put his hand to the plough, nnd looking back, is fit for the kingdom of heaven, I cannot but marvel that any one who has once tasted the heaven ly gifts should ever again become entangled tn the yok e of bondago But wo fear it is loo often the case. In the year 1831,1 preached in the village ofM A young lady then about seven . teen years of age , became interested in the salvation of her soul Afiera few days of deep penitence, sho found peace in believing, and joy in the Holy Ghost. She believed it to be her dut y to be baptized, and to unite with the Church, These convictions at first wore live ly and impressive, but in deferring until to morrow, that duty that should bo attonded lo to-day, the Holy Spirit wasgreivod. At first the struggle Was very severo, bat by giving way to the adversary, the su.btle enemy pro- vailed. And, alas 1 hor feet stumbled upon the dark mountain, and while sh e looked for light ho turned it into tho shado w of death and made it gioss darkness, Wedded lo the vain and foolish pursuits of this fleeting world, the thoughts of death, nnd tho awful realities ofoterntty , wer e barnhcd from her mind.— A\bout two year3 after, she again camo to re side in the village of M . As thoughtless and careless as ever, sho again visited the house of God, and.listening to the truths of his preached, word, her guilty fears again wore alarmed—she remembere d hat vows to God, when two year s before Ho for Christ's sake bad forgivfln- her sins. Sho left tho house un- lluyonme lo bear mc lo tho abodes of black nc«« and darkness forever' ' 1 again atlempted to converse v ith her, ond endeavored lo* provo fioni S( njituro with cvciy argument I was e.ipaVo <:f, that I er cue was not altogether hop< le*s , hul h ire sho would moot mo with ilinut every |ij4 .n;n of senpluro in tho B.bla that won! I app'y t o the rnn,t ahinloned apos tate, rn i 1 n most wietched in tho debths of Hell, and would reply, \Tha t book has no balm r o r mc '\ I requested the privilege onco more of addicssnig the ihronn of g/aco in her behalf, but lo this sho would not co »3cnl .f v l turned nway The sight of my eyes had deeply nffecltrl my hcait. I said, oh, wbai Invo I learned ' Never, rrver, w ill it bo efTa ced from my memory I would havo been glad if every cbiistiar. in the woild could havo u messed with me the awful slaio of tho back slider Perhaps somo mny be curious to know what end she mado ? I would answer , she still lives in the lawn of M , an object of pnv, a pool, glojmy, dejected, ditconsolato, unliip py being, a warning to others to shun the rock on which she lias foundered. AN EIB WITNESS . Antjust I fl 4 1 SELECTS 0N3. conscietico answer, Since the day that he had mercy on iheo, what light his illumined tho hallowed apartment where he appointed to meet theo 1 The fire mat bums ihero was first kindlod from heaven , Ins no unhallowed in cense minjled with that pure flaina 1 HoW burnud it this morning ? Shall tho evoning, shades still find it bright and clear 1 Ah f Christian, guard it well, the fne upon lhat aitar s'.i IUU \ ever ho burninu-\ Nover should it be suff-rod lo g-ow dim, till lis flanio, earthly as it is, though lending upwards, shall bp tit-\ changed for iho uncloudod hjht of heaveri. From llic New York Evangelist. Altar Vires \The fire shall ever bo burning upon the ahor; il shall never go mil \—Lev. vi. 13. Tins was iho direction g.von by the Most High to iho priests of ancient Israel , but is there not in it, Christian, a spiritual adaptation lo time own dunes and obligations 1 I saw ono who had recently devotod himself to tho service ol Christ. He no longer insulted the majesty ol God by offering \strange fire,'' tho fi.imo upon the altar, though faint and flickering, was puro. and tended heavenward. Carefully did ho guard lhat trembling llama— assiduously did ho watch it, and constantly did ho fan it with tho breath of prayer. By degrees it rose higher, and burned moro vigor ously, and the light of it was from afar. He was plcasod with its brightness, and began lo foel lhat it might now sustain itself, and thai a little loss witching ond care would bo quite as well. So ho somntimes loft it for hours logethor—ind whilo ho was \busy hero and there,\ about his nccossary business, as ho considered it, tho flamo had well nigh expired. Ho rcturnod ono year to his neglected altar— and though tho darknoss of night was gather ing aruund, he could perce.vo but a faint and ; dying radiance. Alarmed, bo anxiously has- J tened to gather tho dying embers, IJ rekindle the flame, and supply anew tho aliment rood- j ful to sustain it. The remembranco of long , days of neglect flashed across his mind, and | as he sa w to what fearful danger ho had been exposed, ho trembled for himself. Tho alarm was saluiary, for a time be was watchful, and the flimo buined clear. I looked again towards the altar. The sun shine of prosperity shono brightly upon it, and upon him who guarded it, and beneath its' boams the sacred fiio grew dim. Tho flame nad died away, and the only token of life was in the scattered embers, almost extincfamong the ashes ; yet ho whom it moSt concerned, heeded it not, • From the Union Herald. Entire Consecration. Our Savior says, \Ho that forsakoth not alj' lie hath cannot bo my disciple. - ' This is draw ing a closo line, Too close, altogether, for the spirit of selfishness. Bui what does the' Savior intend by this declaration '• Does lie mean that the person who possesses wealth' shall dispose of that wealth, and distribute it\ among tho poor ? Shall a man foreake houses, lands, wif) and children T I do not understand that ihe Savior intcndijihat llusscriptute should be taken thus lilcially , and yet I cannot giro*' to u that loose and utterly absurd signification which some persons do Tho Scripture ex pressly teachos that any person,in order to bo. accepted by Josus Christ, must be dive sled of the spirit and practice of selfishness, and that, \whatsojver he does, ho must do all lo the glory of God.\ It teaches, not only, that tlio lovo of^the' woild is incompatible with tho lovo of God,* but that all iho powers of the soul and body must be devoted to iho sdvancomcnt of tho causa of truth and nghtoousncss. And wheth er this condition ts compatible wiih hoarding up wealth, or with living either for onrselvea.or for the benefit ol our families alone, is a ques-. lion lhat is very easily solved in tho light of tho uncrting word, Indeed, I know nol hovi - men can appropna'o their powers to get rich,* whilo there aro so many just claims upon them! for tho oxcrciso of tho spirit of benevolence, And possess the spirit of Christ. At all events' let them oxamino this subject closoly, and see to i: that they are not deceived. Indifference. —It is with groat difficulty, and* much sacriGco on the part of a few, that any reform can be pushed ahead, there is so much'' practical indifference on the part of professed* friends. They profess -friendship, but when put to iho lest, and required to give a practical exemplification of their attachment, they' pray to bo excused. And why is this J Why f Thoy nover gave their hearts to the work. — They aro mero abstractionists. They have been partly aroused from their slumbers. Just enough to soe men as trees walking—a few flashes of light have darlod into iliotr souls, but the Iruih has never gone down Into their hearts. If it had, they, would take hold of thf/ work. — r^nion Herald \Who gave you that new frock I 1 ' said a per son tn a httlo girl whom ho had been accdS-\\ tomed to see in r.tgs. \Nobfldy'didn't gi/Sh v to me, for since father joined the TempefSnoif? Society h<s buys things and told mother not to let tho children beg any more.\ Sv>N Ci Knowledge i> useful only froth \die good which it teaches.
